Is this bannable? - Guild Wars Forums

Omniclasm · Nov 16, 2007, 08:52 PM // 20:52

http://www.download.com/Total-Game-C...-10347500.html

Doesn't control the game for you, but could it be interpreted as a bot?

sykoone · Nov 16, 2007, 09:06 PM // 21:06

That might be pushing it as far as legality goes. Better safe than sorry, I'd say don't use it.

Hells_Faithful · Nov 16, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

To me that seems like it is too close to user agreement violation... So I would steer clear of that... Just in case....

Just like sykoone said better save than sorry...

Omniclasm · Nov 16, 2007, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Not much different than a mouse with multiple buttons though is it?

sykoone · Nov 16, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19

The biggest problem I see with it is "Tie complex moves to a single button, or map them to any combination of controls." That's too much like simple macro botting for my tastes.

nechronius · Nov 16, 2007, 09:49 PM // 21:49

My initial reaction is to say that it won't be grounds for a ban. But the program doesn't seem at all useful in the game anyway.

The program does not modify the existing game and all it's doing is creating keystroke macros. This is no more than what some gaming peripherals already give you the ability to do. Keyboard, mice, and joysticks frequently come with rudimentary programs to macro button sequences.

On top of that, in Guild Wars there aren't specific keystroke combinations that can give you a real edge by hitting them faster since this isn't a twitch game. Sure spell chaining gets simplified somewhat, but in Guild Wars you don't get spells off faster by hitting keys in sequence faster. If anything that can mess up your spells.

Of course the program may do other tricks that may be very gray area and could potentially lead to an exploit. Or there might be some keystroke sequence that isn't coming to mind that can give you an unfair advantage.

This is really why a.net generally says don't use anything. They don't have the Time and resources to check every single little program that comes across their desk to make sure it's not an exploit or causes conflicts within the game that might potentially lead to a spike in complaints blaming the game and not the third party program at the root of the problem. They don't have Time to make exceptions as it can lead to a slippery slope of what's acceptable and what isn't. Easier to just say "no" and be done with it.

As with anything, you choose to run a risk if you use a third party program. Is the risk high? I doubt it. As long as it's not a bot or cheat then you're probably not even on their radar. But it's still technically against their fair use policy which means there's always a chance greater than zero of being "busted," even if it's miniscule.

gremlin · Nov 16, 2007, 11:14 PM // 23:14

Well many game controlers and specialised game keypads Like the zboards "Fang" and the thrustmaster "tac board" I use have the capability for key macros.

I don't have any set up on mine but its got the capability Never found a use for the multiple keys to one stroke although I guess I could chain spells or attack skills with it.

They are great for letting me have the same key configuration for similar game types.

holababe · Nov 16, 2007, 11:16 PM // 23:16

You could try contacting support and hoping they respond with something beyond 'busy working on GW2, go away'.

sevendash · Nov 16, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22

Only thing that comes to mind specifically is the skill you need to spam in Kilroy's Punchout quests in order to get up.

MisterB · Nov 17, 2007, 07:52 AM // 07:52

I have been using similar freeware software to play Guild Wars on a PlayStation 2 pad since May '05. All it really does is change your input device from mouse/keyboard to gamepad/joystick etc. Both the software you linked and the software I use allow for macros, or multiple key presses to a single button. Neither that software nor the program I use appear to allow for automatic input, however. At least mine does not.

I'll just refer you to necrhonius's post in regards to whether it can result in a ban. Technically, it does violate the EULA, but the risk is mine to take, and I have. Personally, I think the risk is miniscule, but don't blame me if for some reason I am proven wrong. For one thing, there's not really any way for ANet to detect it that I am aware of, and it does not afford any advantage.

If anyone is interested in a free alternative to the OP's link, I'll post it. I can confirm it's spyware/virus/trojan etc. free, and it does work on GW.

edit: There's actually a thread in Community Works for GW with an XBOX360 pad here:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10210954
Obviously, I prefer my configuration to the one in that thread. More controls, for one.

Fril Estelin · Nov 17, 2007, 08:53 AM // 08:53

Not sure if it's bannable. My logitech MX-1000 mouse came with a software that can associate its numerous buttons to various functions (but nothing really helpful for gaming), and it may be the same with their wireless keyboard (may be?). And the kind of software you mention is akin to this software, furthermore it's a general software and not one targetting GW.

JeniM · Nov 17, 2007, 01:49 PM // 13:49

One advantage you gain is the faster it hits "C" and "Space" the faster my Warrior will attack

reverse_oreo · Nov 17, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

yes that is banable, its a macro program. it is similar to what bots use.

Taurus · Nov 17, 2007, 02:49 PM // 14:49

The only use I'd ever saw for this is :
" numpad 1 = skill # 8 ( infuse ) on target ally 1

willypiggy · Nov 17, 2007, 03:02 PM // 15:02

If it makes the game easier in any aspect, then its cheating. Just my two cents.

Antheus · Nov 17, 2007, 03:08 PM // 15:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by willypiggy

If it makes the game easier in any aspect, then its cheating. Just my two cents.

So, you play with pre-searing armor, with starter weapon and not using a mouse? All those make game easier, but are not needed to play it.

No, it's not bannable, it's perfectly legal.

Using the programming feature to perform a farming run (C, space, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, ...) however can get you banned. Same for automation of other processes, such as spam.

Darkobra · Nov 17, 2007, 03:56 PM // 15:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by sykoone

The biggest problem I see with it is "Tie complex moves to a single button, or map them to any combination of controls." That's too much like simple macro botting for my tastes.

Exactly. It's pretty much just a macro.

onerabbit · Nov 17, 2007, 05:09 PM // 17:09

i dont think it even works for gw, i just downloaded it, and click on profile.. it comes up with all my games, but gw

eidt: it does, just gotta make a new profile... i dont have a clue how 2 work it though :P

Earth · Nov 17, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16

It's considered a macro. Don't use it.

Nov 16, 2007, 08:52 PM // 20:52	#1
Omniclasm Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Guild Hall Profession: A/	Is this bannable? http://www.download.com/Total-Game-C...-10347500.html Doesn't control the game for you, but could it be interpreted as a bot?

Nov 17, 2007, 07:52 AM // 07:52	#10
MisterB Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy Guild: [ban] Profession: W/	I have been using similar freeware software to play Guild Wars on a PlayStation 2 pad since May '05. All it really does is change your input device from mouse/keyboard to gamepad/joystick etc. Both the software you linked and the software I use allow for macros, or multiple key presses to a single button. Neither that software nor the program I use appear to allow for automatic input, however. At least mine does not. I'll just refer you to necrhonius's post in regards to whether it can result in a ban. Technically, it does violate the EULA, but the risk is mine to take, and I have. Personally, I think the risk is miniscule, but don't blame me if for some reason I am proven wrong. For one thing, there's not really any way for ANet to detect it that I am aware of, and it does not afford any advantage. If anyone is interested in a free alternative to the OP's link, I'll post it. I can confirm it's spyware/virus/trojan etc. free, and it does work on GW. edit: There's actually a thread in Community Works for GW with an XBOX360 pad here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10210954 Obviously, I prefer my configuration to the one in that thread. More controls, for one. Last edited by MisterB; Nov 17, 2007 at 07:42 PM // 19:42..

Nov 16, 2007, 09:06 PM // 21:06	#2
sykoone Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Mystical Chaos Profession: E/	That might be pushing it as far as legality goes. Better safe than sorry, I'd say don't use it.

Nov 16, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15	#3
Hells_Faithful Academy Page Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: The Void Guild: Hells_Followers [HF] Profession: R/W	To me that seems like it is too close to user agreement violation... So I would steer clear of that... Just in case.... Just like sykoone said better save than sorry...

Nov 16, 2007, 09:16 PM // 21:16	#4
Omniclasm Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Guild Hall Profession: A/	Not much different than a mouse with multiple buttons though is it?

Nov 16, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19	#5
sykoone Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Mystical Chaos Profession: E/	The biggest problem I see with it is "Tie complex moves to a single button, or map them to any combination of controls." That's too much like simple macro botting for my tastes.

Nov 16, 2007, 09:49 PM // 21:49	#6
nechronius Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southern Cali Guild: Herald of the Storm Profession: W/R	My initial reaction is to say that it won't be grounds for a ban. But the program doesn't seem at all useful in the game anyway. The program does not modify the existing game and all it's doing is creating keystroke macros. This is no more than what some gaming peripherals already give you the ability to do. Keyboard, mice, and joysticks frequently come with rudimentary programs to macro button sequences. On top of that, in Guild Wars there aren't specific keystroke combinations that can give you a real edge by hitting them faster since this isn't a twitch game. Sure spell chaining gets simplified somewhat, but in Guild Wars you don't get spells off faster by hitting keys in sequence faster. If anything that can mess up your spells. Of course the program may do other tricks that may be very gray area and could potentially lead to an exploit. Or there might be some keystroke sequence that isn't coming to mind that can give you an unfair advantage. This is really why a.net generally says don't use anything. They don't have the Time and resources to check every single little program that comes across their desk to make sure it's not an exploit or causes conflicts within the game that might potentially lead to a spike in complaints blaming the game and not the third party program at the root of the problem. They don't have Time to make exceptions as it can lead to a slippery slope of what's acceptable and what isn't. Easier to just say "no" and be done with it. As with anything, you choose to run a risk if you use a third party program. Is the risk high? I doubt it. As long as it's not a bot or cheat then you're probably not even on their radar. But it's still technically against their fair use policy which means there's always a chance greater than zero of being "busted," even if it's miniscule.

Nov 16, 2007, 11:14 PM // 23:14	#7
gremlin Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: GWAR Profession: Me/Mo	Well many game controlers and specialised game keypads Like the zboards "Fang" and the thrustmaster "tac board" I use have the capability for key macros. I don't have any set up on mine but its got the capability Never found a use for the multiple keys to one stroke although I guess I could chain spells or attack skills with it. They are great for letting me have the same key configuration for similar game types.

Nov 16, 2007, 11:16 PM // 23:16	#8
holababe Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2006 Guild: Goon Squad [LLJK] Profession: Mo/	You could try contacting support and hoping they respond with something beyond 'busy working on GW2, go away'.

Nov 16, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22	#9
sevendash Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: Flaming Turtles [FT] Profession: E/R	Only thing that comes to mind specifically is the skill you need to spam in Kilroy's Punchout quests in order to get up.

Nov 17, 2007, 08:53 AM // 08:53	#11
Fril Estelin So Serious... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London Guild: Nerfs Are [WHAK] Profession: E/	Not sure if it's bannable. My logitech MX-1000 mouse came with a software that can associate its numerous buttons to various functions (but nothing really helpful for gaming), and it may be the same with their wireless keyboard (may be?). And the kind of software you mention is akin to this software, furthermore it's a general software and not one targetting GW.

Nov 17, 2007, 01:49 PM // 13:49	#12
JeniM Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2007 Profession: W/E	One advantage you gain is the faster it hits "C" and "Space" the faster my Warrior will attack

Nov 17, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42	#13
reverse_oreo Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Scars Meadows [SmS] Officer (not recruiting)	yes that is banable, its a macro program. it is similar to what bots use.

Nov 17, 2007, 02:49 PM // 14:49	#14
Taurus Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mexico Guild: Go for the eyes [jizz] Profession: W/Mo	The only use I'd ever saw for this is : " numpad 1 = skill # 8 ( infuse ) on target ally 1

Nov 17, 2007, 03:02 PM // 15:02	#15
willypiggy Krytan Explorer Join Date: Dec 2006 Profession: D/Mo	If it makes the game easier in any aspect, then its cheating. Just my two cents.

Nov 17, 2007, 05:09 PM // 17:09	#18
onerabbit Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Thanks to all the guru [mods]	i dont think it even works for gw, i just downloaded it, and click on profile.. it comes up with all my games, but gw eidt: it does, just gotta make a new profile... i dont have a clue how 2 work it though :P

Nov 17, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16	#19
Earth Always Outnumbered Join Date: Jul 2006	It's considered a macro. Don't use it.